[sw-l] FLASH-THE-LIGHT

[Stuart Thiessen]

I would agree with the idea of a symbol to help here. I would prefer  
a symbol that simply means change of handshape (without movement) to  
the connected handshape, and then a second symbol that means change  
of handshape (without movement) to a connected handshape and then  
back to the original handshape.

For example, I'm not saying this is what we should do. I'm just  
giving an example. I'd like to keep scissors as scissors. In this  
case, it is not a scissors motion that I am describing. I am  
describing a change in handshape only with no other movement and  
minimal wrist movement. So it would be better to have a general  
purpose symbol to represent that.  Here is just an idea. You can make  
it whatever you want it to be, but this just illustrates the idea.

The top two examples represent a change in handshape only with no  
return back to the original handshape. I give a vertical and a  
horizontal version.  The bottom two examples represent a change in  
handshape followed by a return to the original handshape. I chose to  
use the knuckle arrow because it seemed the appropriate symbol  
related to finger movement. I chose 3 arrows because those don't have  
meaning in SW at this time (as far as I know). If it does, let me  
know. :)


Thanks,

Stuart

On 3 Aug 2007, at 13:44, K.J. Boal wrote:

> I guess my problem with the three handshapes is that it gives the  
> impression (to me) of movement where there really isn't any; and  
> stacking them vertically would give me the same impression.  I'd  
> rather use a symbol that means "fingers open and spread" and then a  
> reverse of that
> symbol, "fingers close and contract".  I didn't know about the  
> "scissor" symbol before, which does imply the spreading motion...  
> but would we need both the scissor symbol and the hinge?  Or could  
> the scissor symbol just mean "spread all extended fingers"?  I like  
> that idea...
> KJ
>
>
>
> > From: sutton at signwriting.org
> > Subject: Re: [sw-l] FLASH-THE-LIGHT
> > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:10:50 -0700
> > To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> >
> > SignWriting List
> > August 3, 2007
> >
> > Hello Everyone...
> >
> > On Aug 3, 2007, at 6:21 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
> > > So even though I agree with Kelly Jo that the three handshaps is
> > > too much, it seems like it is the best way with the choices we  
> have
> > > come up with.
> >
> >
> > This is an excellent discussion ;-)
> >
> > IF the arm really moved, then the Arm Movement arrows would have  
> been
> > needed. But through the discussion, Stuart explained that it really
> > didn't have Arm Movement. It might have some small amount of Wrist
> > Movement, but even that is not very much and can be shown through
> > three handshapes.
> >
> > And I agree with Adam that the three handshapes are needed here. We
> > write three handshapes in other signs as well, so there is no  
> problem
> > to have three handshapes. In this case we need the information,  
> since
> > the sign is produced in place and returns to the original handshape.
> >
> > The Hinge Motion from the knuckle joint are symbols that are correct
> > technically, but they give the wrong feeling behind the sign...they
> > give a feeling that is smaller and shorter...like talking or clothes
> > pins or whatever...
> >
> > So for a sign that remains in place but just opens WIDELY and closes
> > the handshape again, Stuart's writing of three hands works for me
> > too...There could be a few other handshapes chosen, but that is
> > totally up to the writer...see two writings attached...
> >
>
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